Tenth Period | Spooky stories from History

0:03 hello and welcome to another episode of the build rights Institute’s 10th period webinar series my name is Kirk Higgins and I am joined by two colleagues this one my name is Rachel Davison Humphries and I am the director of outreach here at the Bill of Rights Institute hi I’m Gary petty senior manager of programs for teachers and students and tomorrow is Halloween Hey which is exciting so we thought we would take today and tell a few stories that are somewhat spooky relevant but also turn it into a conversation about using narrative the classroom sure yeah narrative something that we discuss a lot we think the powerful tool that can be used to help students understand things in spooky stories in particular as well talk about a little bit have a have a have a fun

0:48 way of connecting relevant details in a way that might be shocking or exciting or surprise students that they are interested in yeah I like that they’re often fuzzy those movie stories because I think the tradition of spooky stories is maybe you embellish a little bit and yeah add a little bits here and there and so they’re not the same kind of stories that works just this is the factual things that occurred but rather they had is really cool emotional impact it I think are great folks yeah absolutely it’s it’s weaved in sort of like narrative history sometimes it’s a hundred percent right so I think it’s a little fuzzy around the edges right sometimes you don’t know and they’re really like titillates the adolescent and the pre-adolescent right so they love scary movies they love scary stories I remember when I was gonna tell

1:36 my age but the Christopher Pike books were these incredible books in the 90th that were like spooky RL Stein’s there’s something about the unknown and the feeling of and the feeling of not knowing the world yet and the world could be this way right and there are things I don’t know and things I want to know that really that really appeals to the adolescent as we’re going through these stories if you have your own stories to share if you have any comments we do want to interact with you throughout these so we have the comments here on YouTube but we also have our Facebook page which is Facebook’s last Bill of Rights Institute or our Twitter handle which is at BR Institute and you can reach us through any of those or monitoring them so you can ask us some questions absolutely so

2:23 if you guys don’t mind I’d like to start off with a spooky story if we could dim the lights I know a lot of lighting in this number of levels and just before we went on with the webinar one of our teacher partners from South Carolina Tom actually reminded us that this story so we’re excited to include it because it has a little bit of a local twist so it’s fun so let me get comfortable yeah that’s right so Aaron Berger famously known for being vice-president of States and also for shooting Alexander Hamilton on the plaintiff Weehawken and is notorious character already yeah we had a daughter Theodosia white or see there was his life took an interesting turn

3:08 so um Aaron Burr after the assassination about dinner in Hamilton takes kind of a different path in life ends up being charged with treason is banished from the United States and is sent to Europe in 1807 now before this Theodosia his daughter had married in 1801 a man named Joseph Alston so Joseph Alston becomes a governor of the state of South Carolina Theodosia and Joseph lived together but it’s it’s sort of tenuous so after burrs sort of spiraled down many saw his fortunes is waning and so Joseph being a rich planter from South Carolina that could rescue us from from the depth of debt I guess so people claim that this may have been less than a positive marriage

3:53 above Mickey was excited well so Aaron Burr returns to the United States in 1812 is runabouts idea there was his husband becomes governor of South Carolina so she decides to take a trip up to see her father who she hasn’t seen in many years because of course treason and everything else yeah right so she books passage on a ship called the Patriot men sails up Georgetown South Carolina and it heads up to New York where she’s going to see her father you’ll the Grumman is the ship never arrived so is this mystery that abound some claim that she was attacked the ship was attacked by pirates there was a former privateer itself so it’s possible that maybe changed its name and just drifted off to go do something else perhaps taking her to see a lover in Mexico and perhaps she was

4:43 wrecked and washed ashore and begin living another life escape what she was trapped in and this is where it’s a little bit of a local bed to it so tired right so we’re located here in Arlington Virginia just down the road from us is Alexandria Virginia which has been a town for one of the first Maine towns in the state colony of Virginia there’s a 10 there called Gatsby Gadsby’s Tavern which I recommend you visit yes some of our total mayhem yeah with us that’s right over to our summer programs you will likely it’s a very old tavern but in 1868 at Gatsby’s tavern result of it was who she is but yet in st. Paul Cemetery st. Paul’s Episcopal Church in

5:29 Alexandria there is a tombstone for this mysterious female who died the tombstone reads as follows to the memory of a female stranger whose mortal sufferings terminated on the 14th day of October 1816 aged 23 years 8 months mmm this note is placed here by her disconsolate husband in whose arms she sighed out her latest latest breath and who under God did his utmost even to soothe the cold dead ear death how loved how valued once avails they not to whom related or by Moomba got a heap of dust alone remains of thee tis although thou art and all the proud shall be to him gave all the prophets witness that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission their sins

6:16 what so very spooky was it feodosia I’m not sure we put her husband the tombstone twice why do we think this they don’t because she was [Music] as in the Quran yes now it is the case this story came about in 1880 and so they employed people to come in to visit a major port town possible she was trying to escape who knows but mysteries abound but but I like this story because it doesn’t ties back into US history

7:02 pretty well is it is it possible that epitaph is a clue to something it could be it sounds like it would be it doesn’t think the letters out at a certain one of my personal favorite holidays it’s up there with Thanksgiving Passover for me as like shorter speaking the American holidays in many ways right one of the reasons I love the holiday is this kind of very localized variation that can get in the way that the stories are told in the in the traditions around it in the folklore around it because we’re doing on this earlier today and over the past couple of days that in many ways Halloween is the story of immigration right forward in America how Halloween

7:50 is expressed will vary based on the communities that are in the area it’s about communities interacting with each other in this really particular way often in a way that’s very uplifting and communal and becomes very Civic in the 1920s but what I love one of the things I love is C is hearing these different variations like I’m sure was about Marilyn it tells this story very differently than Virginia tells the stories of the same yeah Theodosia haunts the beaches of Myrtle Beach yeah so next time if anyone’s down there for Spring Break right keep your eyes out yeah it’s spooky in I think you’re right it also I think it is a is it good lens into the fear of the unknown that existed during these times right I mean

8:35 a ship goes missing there is an radio communication there’s not ways of really of that radioing for help or sending a distress signal in a way of the far out to sea and so they that’s a good way of showing the context of what life was like in it is fear of the unknown and I think the traditions of Halloween come from that really there’s a world that exists when it’s dark outside that we can’t penetrate and we’re not exactly sure what’s going on out there right so the storytelling can be a way of dealing and storytelling was a way to manage manage death right so traditionally Halloween happened at the time which was a holiday which is a Celtic holiday but it also happened at the same time as Central American holidays and Roman holidays that Oh circled around the cycle of life and

9:22 death at the end of the harvest and so the idea was that at Halloween because it was this in-between place between the old season and the new season between life and the death of winter the the spirit world was somehow closer and more accessible and so you would dress up you would honor your dead you would honor the stories of your society the stories of your community on this special night when the when the Gateway between worlds was a little looser yeah I think so too honey exactly the same time right now is day of the dead and no concept of that community you’re right it could be an opportunity as things are getting colder and you know you’ve done your harvest and everything like that that individual can feel fear and yet it becomes this

10:08 connection to not other people in your community both all the people have come before and it is an interesting gateway into what is real and what isn’t and wasn’t remembered Halloween will focus more on children in times of difficulty in turmoil as an outlet for the children to express some some community endeavor that that just in many ways will distract them from things happening in the world so World War one Halloween became very child focused prior to that it was very focused on families becoming together but also the community having having having community events right so in the 1920s we went to Halloween are having civic parades as actually as a

10:53 way to stop the young people from being like violent and doing those they turned it into this very civic holiday and that period in order to kind of constrain some of the activities of some of the young people during this time of year yeah I think it’s interesting too because it shows the power that history and storytelling hands yeah I mean it’s one of the compelling reasons we always want to know what’s happened before and we don’t know what happened it can suddenly developed with a space unknown yes and creative too you know like I said we serve the way that stories have been told the children you know they get passed down I mean I think probably the version of say the headless horseman I heard maybe I don’t know I do feel like

11:52 it’s a story from upstate lately well so here’s the wait a second down the road was one of the early summits in the central part of India and so there’s a valley there we’re right near the White River and so as you would be coming along you would hear the echoes of the horse that was bouncing off the walls of this valley so people by yourself you’re riding along and you’re hearing the echoes of a horse it certainly sounds like there’s another horse following so the hollow we get known as heavy hollow I think in part because of the shared American folklore you hear these stories are coming from these but the idea that well maybe there’s some real reality to this I mean I’m out here in the unknown and hearing these echoes what’s taking place it was a favorite pastime in my

12:39 community I grew up in central New Jersey right not very far from sleeping off so you got attention and so as a child we would we would be taught the story as part of our New Jersey history in front grade and sixth grade or whatever it was and they would go and you’d listen for the hosts at night to see if you’d like you make sure your blinds were drawn so you wouldn’t see the glowing eyes right right and to me it was very much that was my image of what America was years what year it was I mean was it the 17 right was in 1836 it was just before now but after the found a yeah that big

13:24 American but that’s what it looked like Jim all of us well I think that’s what’s really powerful about these narratives too is that it can help students identify that context right you know with it’s very real phlegm they can empathize with the characters of the story in a way that just telling you know another story of something may not be able to penetrate right absolutely absolutely so I have another story okay I don’t mean as you’re telling the story people should remember that they can ask us truth so tell us the story we would love to hear your stories on Facebook at Bill of Rights Institute or on Twitter at B our Institute or here now realizing you’ve got horns and you said from Jersey I realized the new job story new jersey so this was rather well-known

14:14 documentaries about it but their story the Mary Celeste I love this story again thinking about context for a few different reasons sort of debrief on that one so the Mary Celeste is a ship that it sailed out of New York Kevin and it was perfectly fun when it took off with a cargo full of industrial alcohol and suddenly another ship I believe it was called the die Gretel comes upon it it’s a British ship comes upon the Mary Celeste off the coast of the Azores which on an island chain off because mmm adrift so they go up to the ship and they say what’s going on when they board the ship they find that everything is perfectly fine with the ship all of the cruise

14:59 compartments in clothing and everything is all set all of the charts are sort of tossed about but they’re all there there’s six months worth of food and water all on the ship so the ship is perfectly sailing saleable one of the pumps had been disassembled but the other ships pump was was perfectly fine there’s only about 3/4 water in the hold which isn’t much for a ship and so here’s a perfectly good merchant ship that is sailing along on a company face missing was the navigation equipment and the lifeboat but about the industrial alcohol the industrial thought was all there and attacked interesting so doesn’t pirates rights so so then what’s the answer okay so throughout time and even Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a short story about this in the 1880s one of the reasons it

15:46 kind of stays around but so one of the stories goes that the crew of the British ship that took the Mary Celeste and for Salvage had actually gotten cruise so they just said they weren’t there anyway right so British Appletree courts if you took a ship then you would then get a payout of whatever that the crew only ended up after going through trial getting 160 of the total value so some people think well maybe they didn’t discover anything but there was enough questions that you know maybe something else is going on another posits that the captain on his chronograph is chronograph which is a clock by which you measure latitude I

16:34 believe that wants to go across yes right if you’re someone who navigates the seas somewhere else maybe he thought that the tides were dragging him towards Shore news was closer to land than he thought anymore and because one of the pumps may have been broken because it previously had a cargo full of coal which can clog up while the pumps that used to your neck maybe the pump wasn’t working could tell how much water was in there were some rough seas happening at that time and so he thinks while we’re about to run ashore we need to get off this as quickly as possible so maybe that’s another reason but the reality is none of us really know what it’s been this story that ship was a

17:19 skirt in 1872 so since the 1870s of this mystery as about but I’m looking for a couple of reasons one because it gives you an opportunity to talk about the Azores what they were they were a major place that a lot of ships would stop off on the way to and from Europe later became a coaling station – so good tie that hook in also again just talking about the the helplessness of sailors at sea during the age of sail not knowing you know when you’re with your navigation is that you don’t know where you’re going right yeah so no GPS no phone calls no internet you can’t tweet that you’re going down or having problems right so that all fascinates me too and I think adds to the award anything you give is a fun way to bring in some of these some of these other stories even talking about Salvage how

18:07 it is that British cruise because happen during privateering things to do right that they would be able to capture the ship and then sell it for profit and that becomes interesting about francis drake brothers but yeah so i love that story for that reason there’s all these fun historical things you can tie in that i like the idea and maybe that’s part of it right having a hook the hook of a reality helps a lot right I think the hook of having either a place to turn to and in this case you’ve got the ship like you could do some kind of investigation right but it’s gonna be inconclusive you know all you know is that there had to be crew because they were sailing but then there isn’t the crew with what happened to them I think

18:52 that’s a big part I’m looking I was looking at lists of stories and things around this time of year and then and I think having that either object or location right so many of these stories are based in a spooky place right and so I think that goes back to what you were saying before about you know you’re tied to community that you could go to a place and everybody there knows the story you kind of tell it but it’s but it’s real because you can go right so when I was looking for at the the I have to look it up again it was it the the trans-allegheny Virginia comes up a lot because there’s something about a lot of things happen there but but you remember the people that were there you remember the situations I know and over time as

19:38 you’ve got Shoreham before the civil wars raised because of the Civil War you’ve got stories from the 20s grandpa Long Island not not New Jersey to Long Island we had Amityville the house they did change the address stuff because actual address but it was you know that same kind of story where even though if you didn’t believe in it it still was spooky right so as you know it was a story where someone murdered his little family and then the house after that we’re hearing things

20:25 there was this is like a basis for a lot of this movie from the walls and stories of you you got chills you know but whose real place and you want them to learn about it thank you kids are definitely into them right and so much of history teaching is pedagogy in place right so much of what we do as educators is try and make the place where the where the young people are robust and meaningful to them and story is spooky stories especially right again the growing of New Jersey’s a particularly spooky place there’s a there’s a series called weird history right that many of you I’m sure are familiar with it started as a catalog that I used to get yeah in the

21:11 80s and 90s where it was just like a new spring catalog that come and it was all these stories New Jersey has the new jersey temple we have all these different 13 bumps road there were just all these stories of weird spooky places but a lot of them tied into real historical events in most places right 13 bumps Road I remember the story but let’s just say 13 months road was a Revolutionary War graveyard right because it’s New Jersey you have this kind of context of space and often especially around this season traditionally Halloween has very has been very place based right so you’ll see this in Central America and in Mexico especially with using the the

21:57 cemetery as the space in which you have the DA bailiff smart those festivals you go yet their vent fantastic movie Coco really showcase this really well it’s great kind of cultural touch point for students but often it was very place-based and so as we have more transient communities and more transient students I think making sure that these these are being discussed it’s really important and binding them to the place they are honoring the powerful

22:50 regular business or colonial Americans [Music] that have been really interesting but I was actually the other day history here in Washington DC like we are and I walk past the boarding house of Mary Surratt with desire as co-conspirators met you can still see it now in there’s a plaque on the building in Chinatown because

23:37 your 7th and 8th you ever find yourself in Washington DC but but there’s that very Sarat herself was also a spy so I think there’s something interesting about that too bad that can be kind of spooky and unknown on this world of unknown things the Cold War is very good for that I found Lincoln terrifying as a child I did I and this is a true story forever from all the people one you do never ever ever let me tell America I you know how many children and Agnes’s moving on trouble sleeping right there is a monster under the bed there’s something in the corner resident in the closet quite literally that was my problem I believe Abraham Lincoln was in my room

24:22 and was going to exact revenge for his assassination until I was convinced by my parents that al-awliya and they would say there are two hundred thousand two hundred million Americans I don’t think you’re on the top of the list revenge for revenge River and Lincoln having nothing to have done with it psychology incredibley complex topic for

25:10 students to work through this horribly tragic right yeah horribly tragic I can absolutely answer that and this goes to a lot of what we’re talking about there’s that magical time in America where there was some photography and stories but not enough right so it’s hard to get scared now because I think we’re used to you know in Hollywood imagery and things are very clear and things are too far a little too intellectual but was terrifying about this and and you mentioned before the 1920s was terrifying is if you have these photographs that are fuzzy and dark and and you know as a child that many of those early photographs are of dead people yeah right because the early tim-tim types are you know people that

25:58 they had to stand still for a long time so that you know that they’re all dead not smiling they’re not smiling is there so so Lincoln and all this happening was very much loose Fuki and all of this happening I think is part of that right like you said report there’s this unknown element to the Lincoln story who is it on this what was his feeling on it and then of course visiting DC if you go and you can see the bedroom that hello this still has blood on it yeah horrible yeah when you are five reality I mean it makes it real right this actually have it’s a that’s a very tragic aunt right yeah we’re also in this area is surrounded by a lot of Civil War battlefields and so there’s a

26:44 lot of ghost stories that come out of that too because again if it goes through a real it’s a very tragic thing that happens it’s someone’s family it’s someone’s family and when you start making those connections yeah absolutely okay so Jennifer from YouTube says that she recently learned about the ghost of John Andre how haunting tap in New York and the 76 house so so type of New York I know I’ve been to and there are definitely a lot of spooky things of them so it’s it’s slight by the I call it upstate I was about to say upstate but yeah here it’s very not good not a

27:32 bad way to all of our Japanese the followers out there but it’s you know it’s a lot of those creaky Woodlands a lot of those tales you know it’s it’s just the right amount cold out and you don’t know who’s watching you as you travel around there so even though I don’t know that particular look here’s the road and your breakdown and there’s the howling winds right so so the history of campfire tales yeah right I imagine you’re talking about community you’re talking about sort of bonding and separation of what are your thoughts on campfire tales and the value of them in our culture well I think I mean it is intimately tied with that kind of

28:18 community building that was happening it was they were they were tales of your own history but in many ways it was there to desensitize you in some ways to the kind of difficulties of adult life right right so they’re they’re supposed to be there’s often a moral right like the child this happened to the child because they didn’t behave or this happened to the person because they did something that wasn’t appropriate and this was their punishment right so there’s some kind of moral ISM that often happens in spooky story campfire tales but it also again does this binding you to a place right feel the wind you like hear the rustling array and so traditionally these were done originally around campfires would be elders telling the stories of the

29:04 ancient peoples of the ancestors but then they would move into homes and so you had these because you would invite neighbors into your home and there would be very much in the home right and then in in the forties when again we went to really making it about children but also wanting to bind communities together we started sending the children out into the community right to do the trick-or-treating as opposed to having the having the the storytelling being internal right sorry tell me what happened in the world right so interesting you know sort of this tension between sort of the civilized world in which you lived in and something else you know we’re here we have all these and it’s dark it’s an

29:59 interesting thing you know people are gathering around sort of building these myths to say what is on the other side of that lake practice or whatever and it’s not just a simple retelling I think about the connection to classrooms now and how you know many young students now are so used to the mean culture and the idea of of one-upping each other with a story and campfire stories are like that because with um you mentioned the hook thing and I was brought back yeah the first time I heard that and it was at summer camp you know and it was and I remember like one person and they would be telling one story and then all I have well it’s even scarier than that one and it would it has to be just the right amount of almost supernatural but maybe it doesn’t have to and most the stories were telling aren’t right these are things that actually and are just spooky things that happen

30:45 an actual people not explaining unexplained things but it’s always do I have one more and that art of conversation is in there because I we’ve learned a lot about that how you know decades and even centuries ago that was your art form was conversation with people and sometimes it was family but sometimes there’s a way to do it with strangers I mean Halloween’s one but you know the idea of Christmas is being a big time for spooky stories is a really interesting tradition that I feel like has changed a little bit yeah but there was definitely its honor that was what you did yeah yeah and culturally too I mean it coming from different places different different people bringing their own traditions to different different holidays I mean spooky stories don’t just stop at Halloween right they’re told all year long right they keep us on our toes and bind the community together

31:34 right common tales and I think you know are tell the stories we tell are now very different we pass them by we sharing them on Facebook as opposed to sitting around the campfire but there’s still that kind of that diffusion of folklore that happens consistently absolutely in our lives but because it’s in this different in this mediated way I wonder I wonder about the importance of like sitting down and telling stories versus giving your kids something to read or write a youtube video yeah yeah I mean one of the stories I think about is is the Warrens in Connecticut so yes of the Warrens Connecticut again one of those ones that I be near Connecticut we

32:20 had heard this I don’t know if you heard this when it was early 70s through 1970 or so and they were paranormal specialists Thorin’s I do know Warren is Edie and I want to say Lorraine and this is a tale that he had just been told around and the idea was that there was a spirit of the house and then an attached itself to a righty and and the Raggedy Ann doll you know it seems innocuous and although they can be creepy at night and the Warrens are called in and the stories from this we’re really getting out of hand there were handwritten note several misters have written by knowing in the house and a different hand the Raggedy Ann doll of course would move around was a very eerie I was pretty helpful the show you know just spooky even think about it

33:05 but eventually has the point where they were going to lock it up and then there was some they had a museum where they put it in there and there was a guy who was taunting the doll immediately was in this horrible motorcycle accidents and of thing and the spirit became the stories so kids will know this story

34:02 from the movies this actually happened discovered two comes to discover it was funded by him to go explore to accomplish but that story of that mystery right and that became enough for me when I was kid because they brought Tutankhamun’s like sarcophagus

35:09 probably we all know the tale I think discover this on previously unknown undiscovered tomb of this child king we’ve been maybe maybe not know another mystery and discover this two strange illnesses of dying yeah this is idea both of again the known of the unknown colliding with one another because it’s this mysterious sort of remnant of the past that we know but we don’t really know about it I’m going to discover it getting it right you know baby it’s very you know no one in explainable probably is but there’s this mysterious element to it I think it’s just yeah and who knows maybe

35:55 Highclere saw me got over it because of the success of Downton Abbey I don’t know but but the legend continues then you say tune coming and I still think yeah you know it’d be one thing if there were a bunch of mysterious deaths and the one thing that in common is that they all had something to do with right to be common but then if the warning was there well clearly you could be as logical as you want but there’s all things I confessed by Lincoln there’s all things that yeah still I think the power of it is right right even even mysteries of things that we know a lot about but yet we don’t know about it so things like Atlantis right it didn’t exist did it know what’s going on with

36:41 the Minoans even the pyramids themselves that was aliases that’s very cool actually history check yeah yeah but even things like you know Olmec civilization Central America alright there’s these questions that we have and I think that’s the amazing thing about wonder it using these stories to sort of inspire them since the partner I said it’s it’s one opportunity of there’s lots of ways to do it but it’s one opportunity to really bring them into question these kinds of stories for doing what Montessori and Montessori pedagogy thank you of the firing the imagination mm-hmm that you start every lesson with a story that’s so interesting that they can’t help but want to know more right

37:27 and so starting with a with a mystery or really you know like the overcoming the heroic act humanizes the experience for the for this for the students but it also gives them a model to work off of so often in in kind of the history of Halloween in the history of kind of this time of year were we’re practicing different cultural norms right like what does it mean to go up and introduce yourself to an adult you don’t know right right what does it mean to interact with your friend group in public right right what does it mean to

38:12 you’re practicing all of these norms of civil institutions if you’re letting the kids do it unsupervised there’s a bit of a tension sometimes between creating safety which was always a theme like right kids being safe around in this couple of weeks has been a concern for parents for thousands of years right right it didn’t start in the 70s a maybe is right it has like parents have always been concerned which is why for a long time Halloween active Easter plays at home but as part of a kind of impetus around the around World War two to bind communities together to like love your fellow man and get to know your neighbor they would send them out into the community on these trick-or-treat hunts

38:58 right earning on the treating and so there’s this like what does it mean to be a part of a community where you’re interacting in this meaningful way with strangers yeah um helps model good behaviors in a variety of different ways another thing I think that’s a model and also part of the origins that I probably know much better but the idea that it is a day of charity in a way that isn’t kinda said that it is a day that originates in here’s a time when with soul cakes right you’re not time to give to those in need right in a way that wasn’t you know in a way that it kind of brought me together because then it was everybody doing this and it was certainly a sort of couch to

39:47 this really interesting generosity of community right yeah I think even costumes are interesting dressed up a little bit in costume it’s not where this usually it’s micellar first let go net something up to someone else whether that’s expiration or anything but be dressing up as vin astronaut sort of that wanting to be something someone else and showing that well I mean I think Halloween has become such amazing

40:33 way to explore the potential when it’s done well right like you see so many amazing costumes of people you admire or characters from history or characters from literature that are really powerful or these young people to make costumes around right it it has become this moment where you can honor these figures in history it was always that way if I started to trick the demons from not knowing who you were right right right on the day that the barrier between death and life was fragile right after this webinar Google 1920s children Halloween costumes in order to make the

41:21 demons and ghouls who would be around so that he would trick them right into not knowing it was you in the 20s that it was actually to honor certain ancestor right I’m so like there and again one of the things is your CEO Halloween costumes interpreted a lot of different ways because this is a uniquely American way of celebrating this holiday and it reflects all of the different you know ethnic regional racial groups that contribute to our Great Society and so you see lots of different people in like maybe it’s your grandmother it’s so much

42:26 of our Halloween costumes come from the Irish influx of immigrants 19 because they had a tradition around Samhain of family storytelling and family gathering and there was this kind of notion that the Irish community around family was like a more gentle age so people wanted to mimic that they adopted this kind of almost like noble an idea around Irish really hard to carve and so when they

43:14 [Laughter] don’t light the candle it’s a fun way to kind of look at these traditions and see how they’re evolving in what part of the community they take places it was a big thing in the movie that they were celebrating Halloween right well you were just talking about the impression of people around soon because we did programs in Connecticut last week yesterday yeah they were

44:08 talking about you know getting DC grew up there been there a while and they’re saying that it’s an interesting balance from from how you start this conversation of local history and being able to go down the street and see these things and sort of the increasing national notoriety others and and sort of tensions a strong word with their service or saying that the you know the kinds of statues that are put up with a kind of events that are happening take their below story and push it into a direction that may or may not be the direction to their history to their college of the area kind of thing and so on the left side you want people to tell your stories you know the flexibility in those stories go change sort of

45:18 diversity that happens across the country I mean some people make then about the people who live there you know so in terms of national natural identity as a gated by funding we send all the money we spend on right in this Halloween is number two only after Christmas right so it is a huge and it’s and again part of that comes from wealth and you know our idea that we want to kind of showcase what we’re able to do with the holiday but also part of part of it is this this community endeavor that it becomes right I mean similar to Christmas lights there’s this

46:04 army here in our area where they are famous for their decorations right and for the communities that they provide around those decorations yeah well speaking of decorations yes sure we all have to go home and get ready for tomorrow’s yes gotta get my turnips so so in for Super Bowl please share with us your favorite spooky stories from your region yeah we would love to hear what you do with students around this time of year how you create community in your crafts classroom across different cultures and how you use narrative you know how is it you type narrative into your classroom whatever the subject may be yeah we never tire stories here at

46:50 Bri so the few that of you that wrote in already you know follow up with us if you haven’t already because we never tire of the hooks that stories are absolutely and as always if there’s other topics that you’d like to see us cover on these webinars please feel free to send those suggestions in as well we’re here to serve you and so any ideas you have or topics you’d like us to cover we love hearing feedback so but I think for now I’ll retreat to our own spooky bones in thank you all for joining us out there [Music]